The Five Bucks, from left: Steve Hearn, Chris Rose, Bruce Kerr, Jerry Daller, and Bauchman Tom
The Five Bucks had two of the finest harmony songs of the mid-60’s: “No Use in Trying” and “I’ll Walk Alone”. The group had a third 45 as the Five Bucks, and then three more releases as the Byzantine Empire. Jim Heddle of Ann Arbor wrote to me and said I should cover the Five Bucks, “WPAG played ‘Now You’re Gone’, which was a ballad, but I remember WAAM playing the b-side, ‘No Use In Trying’, which is a great rocker.”
I contacted Bruce Kerr, the bassist and one of the principal songwriters, who kindly answered my questions about the group and provided photos:
We formed the band days after we all converged on University of Michigan/Ann Arbor in August of ’65. Chris Rose and I met in our dorm piano lounge and started harmonizing. He brought in his roommate from Glencoe, IL, Steve Hearn; we grabbed our guitars and had a trio. We then added Jerry Daller across the hall from me who had to call his parents and have his drums shipped up from Detroit. I called my parents to have my amp shipped over from Waukesha, Wisconsin. These are calls parents do not want to receive three days into a frosh year, as you can imagine.
“Now You’re Gone” makes #46 on Ann Arbor station WPAG’s chart on April 26, 1966We put up an ad for a keyboard player and Bauchman Tom from Akron, OH, also a frosh at U/M answered it. [He played] a Farfisa organ, that characteristic 60’s sound, but he could make it cook. He turned out to be very good, played rock, classical, and jazz, and was Chinese-American which gave the band’s look some uniqueness and, right in the middle of the Civil Rights era, some political correctness before that phrase was in use.
We decided to name the band, “The Five Bucks.” I recall it was Chris’s idea. Our band card was a fake $5 bill with our names and dorm phone numbers in the corners (plus 1).
Chris, Steve, and I were all rhythm guitar players so we decided I’d learn bass, Steve would sing lead and play rhythm, and Chris would play lead. The three of us started collaborating immediately and “No Use In Trying” was our first effort, “Now You’re Gone” was our second (misprinted as “Now You’re Mine. The band was plagued by label misprints, the “5 Bucs” [on the Omnibus single] was a misprint, we were never anything but the Five Bucks, then the Byzantine Empire).
And after playing frat parties, doing Beatles song with perfect replication of the harmonies, and getting a great reception, the thing in those days was to get out a single (as your website shows). An album was a distant dream but local bands who sustained nearly always got to a single. We had a date with Detroit’s Edwin Starr on a Sunday to record. We drove in and he didn’t show at the studio.
In the spring of ’66, as our freshman year was ending, we all decided to live in the Chicago area where Chris and Steve had their family’s homes and play for the summer. When we got to Chicago, Chris’s dad had arranged through a friend for us to audition for a label, which turned out to be Afton, eventually. The mistake, we felt, was the promotion ended up going for the ballad rather than “No Use In Trying.” So it got played on WLS a few times, got us some good gigs, but never made it.
The Five Bucks, from left: Bruce Kerr, Chris Rose, Jerry Daller, Bauchman Tom and Steve Hearn
Chris & Steve’s friend, Harlan Goodman, went to work for William Morris in Chicago and the next thing we knew that spring and summer, we were opening major concerts in Chicago and Indiana for the Animals, Turtles, Hollies and others.
“I’ll Walk Alone” reaches #1 on WCBN, March 19, 1967Harlan Goodman booked us in ’66 as Del Shannon’s band, backing him up at two county fairs in Minnesota and a small college, I think it was. It was amazing to be 19 years old playing bass behind “Runaway” and other hits that six years before I was dancing to at junior high dances.
Having flunked out of U/M Engineering, I had to go back to Ann Arbor for the second part of the summer and Steve Gritton filled in on bass on keyboards.
We played a bunch of venues like the Aragon Ballroom with other bands like the Shadows of Knight, Buckinghams, the Flock, the Real McCoys and a couple more that were popular locally that I can’t remember…ah, the Cryin’ Shames. Went between Ann Arbor and to Chicago on half the weekends and all summers.
There was camaraderie but competition too. Everyone wanted to be the breakout band, like American Breed finally did, and Chicago (Transit Authority) who became monster-big.
We hung back stage in Hammond, Indiana with the Hollies in ’66. I asked Graham Nash how long he’d be in the states and he replied, “about 6 feet.” everyone laughed and I shrunk back into the ranks of the opening acts.
“I’ll Walk Alone” a pick hit on WAAM’s chart on April 10, 1967Five Bucks opening for the Doors at the U. of Michigan Homecoming
The Five Bucks opened for The Doors, fall of ’67 for our U/Michigan Homecoming. Morrison got booed off the stage, he was drunk and the crowd wanted to DANCE. The student in charge came begging to us, “Please go back up and quiet down this crowd.” We took to the stage and opened with the Temps’ “Ain’t to Proud to Beg” and the place went crazy and the night was saved. Huge crowd, the old U/M gym, high stage, it was nuts.
That winter of ’66-’67, we recorded on Omnibus: “I’ll Walk Alone” / “So Wrong.” Came out in the spring, was #1 in Ann Arbor and some other places. In the fall we recorded “Breath of Time” / “Without Love” on USA Records.
Q. Where were the Afton and Omnibus singles recorded?
Both in Chicago, I forget the studio names. The Afton record was recorded in an old 4-track studio. I think Omnibus, as well. Only with Universal in ’68 were we in anything bigger, 12 track then. Still, the singles were mono, not stereo.
That fall, our agents, Bruce Shankman and Earl Glicken (the Monkees promoter in Chicago) hooked us up with Traut. We went in unplugged (another term before its time) to Traut’s office and played some new originals: “Whenever I’m Lonely,” “Girl In the Courtyard” and some covers and Traut was sold on us. Wanted us to be an answer to “The Association.” Even had the Asian-American. Bauchman briefly took on a Hawaiian stage personna as Kelly Kulukua, something like that.
The Byzantine Empire at Soldier Field, from left: Steve Hearn, Bauchman Tom, Bruce Kerr, Jerry Daller and Chris Rose
Bill said, rightly, we needed a new name. I was a history major and suggested the name [The Byzantine Empire], a weird choice of a name in retrospect, but what wasn’t that year?
In the winter of ’68-69, Traut signed us and booked us on spec into Universal Studios, a 12-track studio, state-of-the-art facility, hired members of the Chicago Symphony Orchestra. We recorded the two originals listed just above, plus the Association’s album song “Happiness Is,” “You,” “Snowqueen” by Carole King, and “Shadows & Reflections”, two sessions, a couple months a part, as I recall.
Traut sold us to Amy records, a sub of Bell Records in NY for $25K. Problem is, he had his pal, Eddie Higgins & Bob Schiff produce us. They were competent but not the visionary Bill was. We would have done better with Bill producing but he was trying to build up his team. He was partnering with Jimmy Golden but they had a falling out just as we were hoping to blossom, which caused problems for Bill, and ultimately, for us, I think.
The Byzantine Empire in the studio, 1967, from left: Chris Rose, Bruce Kerr, Bauchman Tom, Jerry Daller and Steve Hearn
Q. So Bill Traut set up the Universal Studio sessions but didn’t produce any of them?
Right, he gave us Eddie Higgins & Bob Shiff instead; we were let down by that.
Q. Were you all playing your instruments on the Amy recordings, or using studio musicians for the backing?
We all played except Jerry Daller on drums. Traut brought in a jazz club drummer, especially for the 3/4 beat on “Snow Queen.” not many drummers in rock bands played 3/4, Jerry included. He was really a garage band drummer, but he held his own. Still, Traut was right to replace him for the two sessions, three songs at each.
Q. I can see “Happiness Is” as an obvious commercial choice, but how did you decide to record “Shadows and Reflections”?
Traut, it’s a weak song, strange too, but we couldn’t find anything better in the stack of writers’ promo demo copies he gave us to choose from. “Shadows & Reflections” was during our second session with Bill, probably summer/fall ’68.
Q. Were you aware of the original version by Eddie Hodges (ironically on Sunburst, which was distributed by Amy) or the one by the UK group the Action?
Interesting, no, I hope they were better than our version.
Q. Would you say the band tried to cultivate a more refined sound over time, or was that mainly Bill Traut’s doing?
Yes, the Byzantine Empire went for harmony a la Association. We liked their sound anyway, from “Mary” to “Cherish.” We could do chords (correctly) and we could do harmony, this was no band of blues three-chorders. So part of it was Traut…definitely the “You” / “Shadows & Reflections” stuff…we thought it was square, like the Vogues, and wanted something rougher but he knew we were no Troggs, that our look and sound had to be melodic and pop sounding. The USA side A, “Breath of Time” before that, was an attempt to get a rougher sound, fuzz tone, etc.
“Snow Queen” was a Gavin pick but, being 3/4 waltz time, and with no major hook other than the title being sung at the end of each verse, our soaring harmonies weren’t enough. Then “Happiness Is” was released (we pretty much copied the arrangement of the Association) and it didn’t make it. Finally, per the contract, “You” came out close to our graduating and did zip.
Bill Traut once told us, in retrospect, that “Whenever I’m Lonely” could have been a monster ballad hit. I’m not sure if he was hoping for a flip hit after “Happiness Is” which he thought was a sure-fired hit, if “Snowqueen” didn’t hit. None of them did and we maybe should have stayed with our original sound instead of thinking we had to have a hit with an almost exact replica of “Happiness Is.” But, we were hungry to make it, felt we could shape our sound after we had a commercial hit.
Even “Courtyard” and “Whenever I’m Lonely” were our soft side. We had a rockier, Beau Brummels type sound that had more grit and might have served us better by ’68, with the way music turned away from pretty harmonies toward heavy guitars and, if any, soul harmony, or none at all.
We graduated, did one more gig that summer in Chicago, and went our separate ways. Chris and I have maintained our friendship for the next 40 years, he still is in contact with Steve, but Jerry’s totally gone, and Chris and I only kept up with Bauchman through the mid to late 70’s and he disappeared also.
Q. Are there any unreleased recordings? Any live recordings?
Somewhere there’s our third song ever from ’65, “Say It Now,” that I think could have been a hit. It was a recording session dub, nothing ever came of it. Chris had a great song, “Inspector Hayes,” another dub from a session that never became a record. No one knows where these two are. Nothing live ever, too bad.
Q. Lastly has there been interest in re-releasing the records? I know they’ve come up on bootleg compilations, but I don’t think they’ve ever been legitimately released, at least not together.
Nothing I’ve heard about. Frankly, there may be more interest in our stuff now than from the record buying public back then (apparently)!
Q. Finally, I find it amazing that the group was able to stay together all four years of college with no changes, other than that short time “Stubs” subbed for you.
Yeah, we all got along pretty well. Steve, Chris and I were fast friends which was the core. We all liked the money (lots of gigs) and (mostly) not having to work other jobs in the summers or during the school year. Helped with meeting girls on campus since the band was popular there…
Mostly, it was the age-old (well…) bit of the dream to become like the Beatles or Stones, on the radio, songs people would love and hum, and the life of a millionaire rock star, as we envisioned it. All of this with the Vietnam War draft in the background. And there was no deferment for rock star. Some of the best moments were when we were in the studio, it seemed like we were about to make it, there with all the tools and “old guys” at the controls (they were probably in their 30’s), telling us, “it could be a hit!”
When you get played on WLS, you pretty much figure it’s just going to keep going up from there. It was a great time, and I’m probably happier today for our not making it and having to play state fairs now with REO Speedwagon.
When the band broke up, I went to law school and am a lawyer today (though I took 20 years off, ’73-’93 to be a solo performer, “Loose Bruce Kerr,” so the itch was not entirely scratched in the band years). Easier now as a lawyer than living in motel rooms and touring!
Bruce Kerr
Chris Rose adds:
It was Steve Hearn’s girlfriend’s father, Jerry Wexler, real estate tycoon, who got us the audition with Milt Salstone, owner of Reprise records [actually owner of M-S Distributors]. Milt started the Afton label as a subsidiary for rock and roll music.
I haven’t heard from or about our keyboardist in many years. His name is Bauchman Tom (people used to frequently mispronounce his name as “Tom Buachman”). He was, by far, the best musician in the group. He was up there with the best of the day in keyboard talent. On one mini-tour with The Iron Butterfly, Doug Engle (the composer of “In a Gadda Da Vida” ) told Bauchman that he played the song as well, if not better than Doug did. Our road managers [were] Terry Gano and Dean Suffka – they went on to work for The Seeds, Friend and Lover, Iron Butterfly, Blue Cheer, Tommy Boyce and Bobby Hart, The People, Kansas, Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, Blues Image, The Doors, and Captain Beyond, and others after our group broke up.
The Seeds, Friend and Lover, Iron Butterfly, Blue Cheer, Tommy Boyce and Bobby Hart, The People, Kansas, Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, Blues Image, The Doors, and Captain Beyond.
The Byzantine Empire at the Jaguar, April 6, 1968 with the Strawberry ExpressAdding to the list of groups and artists we played with or opened for: Del Shannon (opened and played as his band, the second set), Edwin Starr (he told Barry Gordy he wanted to manage our group because we could harmonize), Bobby Head (Sunny), People, The Iron Butterfly, Paul Revere and the Raiders (Lake Geneva), The Vogues (opened and backed them up instrumentally), Eric Burdon and The Animals, The Turtles (one concert at the Hammond Civic Center – crowd: 10,000, and one TV appearance), The Hollies, The Royal Guardsmen (they hated the Snoopy songs), Friend & Lover, colleagues of Herb Alpert (from our manager’s stable of talent) – he even went to Arlington Park racetrack with my Dad, all the Chicago based groups, multiple times – The Flock, The Buckinghams, The New Colony Six, The Shadows of Knight, The Mauds, The Ides of March with Jim Peteryk (they used to wear long-haired wigs when they were 17 – their parents wouldn’t let them grow their hair), Baby Huey and the Babysitters, The American Breed, Brenda Lee (a TV show in Windsor, Canada), Siegel-Schwall Blues Band, Sam the Sham, The Knickerbockers, The Kingsmen, The McCoys. I am sure I have left a few out.
The Byzantine Empire, 1968 from left: Chris Rose, Jerry Daller, Steve Hearn, Bauchman Tom and Bruce KerrThe Byzantine Empire, from left: Chris Rose, Bruce Kerr, Bauchman Tom, Steve Hearn and, Jerry Daller.
45 releases:
The Five Bucks
No Use In Trying / Now You’re Gone (erroneously printed as Now You’re Mine) (Afton 1701) May 1966 I’ll Walk Alone / So Wrong (Omnibus 1001) November 1966 (band listed as The Five Bucs) Breath of Time / Without You (U.S.A. 882) 1967
Byzantine Empire
Girl In The Courtyard / Snowqueen (Amy 11,018) 1968 Happiness Is / Whenever I’m Lonely (Amy 11,034) 1968 You / Shadows and Reflections (Amy 11,046) 1968
All photos courtesy of Bruce Kerr. Thanks to Jim Heddle for scans of the radio charts and Omnibus 45.
Baby Huey and the Vets in Chicago, 1963. From left: Pete Foster, Dale Harper, James Ramey (Baby Huey), Melvyn Jones and Butch Whited.
Baby Huey and the Baby Sitters are a famous Chicago band, but their roots are in Richmond, Indiana, where they formed in high school as Baby Huey and the Vets in 1962. The members attended Richmond High School, most of them graduating in 1964.
Earliest gig notice I can find for Baby Huey and the Vets in Richmond, Indiana, November 23, 19621962
November 23 – National Guard Armory, Richmond December 8 – Richmond High School “Mistletoe Mash” at Civic Hall December 29 – teen holiday dance at the Conservation Park lodge December 31 – American Legion hall, 400 North Eighth St.
1963
May 17 – Hagerstown, IN prom, followed by “appearances on the Northwestern university campus at Chicago, Ill., immediately after playing for the prom at Hagerstown.” June 13 – Senior’s all-night party at the YWCA: “Beginning at 4 a.m. Baby Huey and the Vets, a high school instrumental combo, provided music for dancing in the TAC club.” August 4 – Clear Creek Park September 1 – Clear Creek park Musician Local 388 union concert December 27 – Leland Hotel, Richmond. Noon concert for Kiwanis December 27 – Forest Hills Country Club
First mention of playing in Chicago, Richmond Palladium-Item, May 16, 1963
A notice in the Richmond Palladium-Item & Sun-Telegram for a concert August 4, 1963 lists the first lineup of the group I can find:
Members of the group are Melvyn Jones, electric piano; Dale Harper, drums; Pete Poster [sic – should be Pete Foster], alto saxophone, Butch Whited, guitar, and J.T. Ramey, bongos and vocal.
Melvyn Jones is brother of jazz drummer Harold Jones.
1964
March 12 – YWCA for Women’s Federated club March 24 – Melody Skateland
Dale Harper, Curtis (Pete) Foster, and Harry Whited left the band to join the military. Curtis Foster left the group for the Marines in February 1964. He died on June 6, 1965, when two helicopters collided off the ship, the Iwo Jima.
Richmond Palladium-Item, April 1, 1964The Palladium-Item ran a very interesting notice on April 1, 1964:
“Bad Baboon,” a record featuring a group of local musicians, is being pressed by Richmond Record Pressings under a label which is an affiliate of Mercury Record corporation in Chicago. In the group are Danny Jarvis, drums; Dick Agee, bass guitar; Butch Whited, lead guitar; Melvin Jones, piano, who also wrote the lyrics, and Jimmy Ramey, vocal. They taped the number in Chicago. Formerly known as the “Sting Rays,” the local group has been renamed the “Madisons.” They have played at local dances and entertainments.
A short notice the next day adds “The “Madisons” … includes members of two earlier combos known as “Baby Huey and the Vets” and the “Sting Rays.”
Released on Limelight Y-3018, “Bad Baboon” / “Because I Got You” apparently is the first recording featuring Baby Huey and Melvyn Jones. Melvin Jones wrote “Bad Baboon”. A takeoff on “The Gorilla” by the Ideals, it would also become the blueprint for Baby Huey and the Babysitters 1965 single “Monkey Man”. Cash Box reviewed the single favorably on June 18, and copyright was registered on April 27. Producer Jan Hutchins had co-produced Chicago vocalist Ral Donner’s “You Don’t Know What You’ve Got (Until You Lose It)” for Gone Records in 1961.
Did B.J. stand for Baby Jimmy, or Baby James? There is a notice for B.J. and the Sting Rays at the Springwood Pavilion in Conservation Park on June 15, 1963, but Baby Huey and the Vets were also active at that time. The news described them in February, 1964:
The Catholic Youth center will sponsor a dance at the Knights of Columbus hall Sunday, Feb. 9. Members of B.J. and the Sting Rays combo will provide the music. They are Dick Agee, Melvin Jones, Danny Jarvis, Butch White [sic: Butch Whited] and Jim Ramey.
However, Baby Huey and the Vets did shows through March, 1964. The Madisons name took over for that recording, but I can find no gig listings under that name, nor any listings for Baby Huey between April 1964 and early March 1965.
Certainly by February 1965 if not earlier, Jim Ramey and Melvyn Jones had relocated to Chicago where they added new members, found management in university student James Kargman, and started recording as Baby Huey and the Baby Sitters.
Baby Huey and the Baby Sitters as a five-piece, an early promo photo that ran in the Rockford Register Star, June 19, 1965 for the show that evening
1965
At some point in 1964 or 1965, Johnny Ross, also from Richmond, IN, joined on guitar. They were joined by Chicago musicians Dennis Moore on drums and Larry Sales on bass.
The history of Baby Huey’s 1965 recordings is confusing because they contain four songs released across five singles.
I believe the first two cut were “Just Being Careful” and “Messin’ with the Kid” as John Ross had copyright registered on “Just Being Careful” on February 12, 1965. Both sides feature horns, and a female chorus on “Just Being Careful”. “Messin’ with the Kid” is a great version of the Mel London song done originally by Junior Wells.
Shann 73924 – “Just Being Careful” / “Messin’ With the Kid” (February 1965) USA 801 – “Just Being Careful” / “Messin’ With the Kid” (April ’65)
The next two recordings are the influential “Monkey Man”, credited to John R. Ross, though Monkey Man is certainly an adaption of the Madisons “Bad Baboon”. James Kargman took arranging credit on “Monkey Man”. Copyright was registered on April 23, 1965.
Their version of “Beg Me”, originally recorded by Chuck Jackson, may be the weakest number on these early 45s but is a prized soul record today. Starting slow, it picks up steam. John Ross’s guitar work is outstanding on all of these. For some reason the label St. Lawrence substituted the earlier “Messin’ with the Kid” for “Beg Me” on some copies, and again when it was reissued on Satellite in ’66 or ’67.
St. Lawrence 1002 – Monkey Man / Beg Me (1965, issued on both blue and white labels) St. Lawrence 1002 – Monkey Man / Messin’ With the Kid (1965, white label only) Satellite 2013 – Monkey Man / Messin’ With the Kid (1967)
Jim Kargman produced all of their singles in 1965, along with those of Dalek/Ingam and the Blackstones. Thumbs Up in Chicago was the group’s base and some of their early bookings such as Rockford College were made through the club. An item in the Chicago Suburbanite Economist on February 23, 1966 noted “Tony Caithamer, one of the owners of the Thumbs Up club at 2848 N. Broadway, is donating the services of [Baby Huey & the Baby Sitters].”
First ad for a Chicago gig. It ran in the Tribune on March 3 and 5, 1965, with the Billy Williams Revue at the Celebrity Lounge, 900 North Rush.
Baby Huey at the College Fieldhouse in Rockford, June 19, 1965. The Morning Star devoted an article on the show to the Beau Brummels, but ran this photo of Baby Huey
South Bend Tribune, June 27 1965
March 3-6: at the Celebrity Lounge, 900 North Rush with the Billy Williams Revue June 19 – Thumbs Up presents the Beau Brummels, Baby Huey and the Babysitters and the Blackstones at Rockford College Fieldhouse June 28 – Stepan Center, Notre Dame, South Bend – WJVA show with Dalek-Engam and the Blackstones, the Teen Tones, the Tradewinds and the Phantoms November – Spain, Italy, Greece, Africa ?!
On December 1, the Toronto Globe and Mail reported Baby Huey and the Baby Sitters played in Paris for the debut party of Nelly de Rothschiild, along with UK group Band of Angels.
late December – WVON Chicago Christmas Benefit with Little Stevie Wonder, Dee Clark, Jackie Ross, the Madlads, the Impressions, G.L. Crockett and Red Saunders
Baby Huey and the Vets featured in the Richmond Palladium Item, November 10, 1965
An article from the Richmond Palladium on November 10, 1965 listed the lineup that was flying to play in Europe and Africa, but refers to them by their old name, Baby Huey and the Vets:
Melvin Jones – trumpet and organ Johnny Ross – guitar Dennis Moore – drums Jim Ramey (Baby Huey) – vocals Larry Sales – bass Charles Lance – sax?
1966
This photo ran in the Rockford Register Star on February 18, 1966
January 29 – Rockford College with the Castaways and the Fabulous Intruders from Rockford, IL February 25 – Orr High School benefit February 25 – Harmony Hall, Chicago March 18 – U. of Illinois Urbana, George Huff Gymnasium March 19 – Rockford, with the New Colony Six, the Shadows of Knight, the Grim Reapers and the Komons, at Boylan High School gym. Also the Flock, according to some news listings. May 21 – Rock Island at the Monmouth College Scot Olympics The Daily News ran this photo of Baby Huey for their September 1966 shows at Trude HellersMay 29 – Richmond National Guard Armory July 24 at Palms Shore Club, Emmons Ave, Brooklyn with Satan Four late July – early August – at Trude Hellers, NYC September 5 – September 17 (?) – at Trude Hellers September 10 and 11 – Palisades Amusement Park’s “Heller-Baloo” with Benny Gordon, Bertha Colbert and Abercrombie & the Fitches October – at Trude Hellers, also an announcement that Capitol Booking has signed the group October 7 & 8 – Romano’s Steak House, Hartford, CT October 21 – Richmond High School Homecoming Dance November 1, 1966 – November 15 – Trude Heller’s (NY Daily News) November 19 – Bayone, NJ at Venice Tavern
Billboard, October 29, 1966In October 1966, the Babysitters went back to Richmond to play their high school’s Homecoming Dance.
Dennis Moore got drafted around 1966. Reno Smith became the drummer at some point.
I’m not sure when Melvyn Jones left the group. As Deacon Jones he wrote a memoir the includes his years with Baby Huey, 40 Years With the Blues Legends: the Life and Times of Melvyn Deacon Jones that I haven’t read yet.
Johnny Ross probably left in 1967, when he recorded two singles as Johnny Ross and the Soul Explosions, “I Can’t Help Myself” / “Sore Loser” on Chirrup 1523, and “Love-I-Tis” / “Chi’-Ca’-Go'” on La-Cindy 509.
The chronology of when later members joined is uncertain. Because James Ramey drew so much attention in the press as the group’s frontman, later articles never mention other members of the band.
Jet, January 19, 1967
1967
January – at Ungano’s club in New York February 15-28 – the Cheetah, with the Exceptions Feb. 15-18 March 22 – April 12 – the Cheetah with the Chambers Brothers and the Rovin’ Kind through March 26 April 26 – Tempo Dance City 8813 Foster Ave, Canarsie, Brooklyn
The Cheetah was open Wednesdays through Sundays.
Robert Baker wrote about the Cheetah club in the Chicago Tribune on April 16, 1967:
The sound is continuous, provided by two bands that alternate each hour. Current attractions are the Griffith-Harter Union and Baby Huey and the Babysitters … Baby Huey, a kind of Motown Mama Cass, has been the biggest regular draw of the Cheetah since it opened last fall. He takes center stage with him where he moves in his bright red double-breasted suit, usually abandoning his tie after a couple numbers. The group features upbeat rock numbers as well as some slower soul pieces, often blue in both connotations of the word.
Rotund Band Leader Faces Dope Charge
CHICAGO (UPI) – “Baby Huey,” a rotund rock ’n’ roller has been booked for a May 8 date in court.
A tinfoil package of what police believe is marijuana, a warm pipe, overheard talk of “smoking pot” – plus police insistence – helped the bushy-haired, 370-pound band leader get the unwanted engagement.
Possession of narcotics is the charge, police said.
Baby Huey, billed as “the biggest name in the business,” was arrested in his motel room Thursday with two friends. Police said they were tipped, possibly by a disgruntled fan, that there was a party going on.
Baby Huey, who said his real name was James T. Ramey, and Baby Karp and Ronald Wagner, both 21, Chicago, were freed on bond. Karp and Wagner are not members of “Baby Huey and the Baby Sitters.”
Police later ticketed Baby Huey’s brightly painted bus and towed it from the spot reserved for Mayor Richard. J. Daley’s limousine to the auto pound.
On July 6, 1967, the charges were dismissed:
Judge Kenneth R. Wendt ruled arresting officers did not have a warrant to make the raid on Ramey’s hotel room after receiving a tip.
Detectives said they arrested Baby Huey Apr. 13 after they found him lying on a bed with a package of a “crushed green plant” nearby.
This news item was picked up nationally in August, 1967. I can’t find further details.
June 7-11 – Ron’s Back Room, 1311 N. Wells in Old Town September 1 – the Cheetah with the Exception and the Rovin’ Kind. September 22-24 (dates uncertain) – the Cheetah: Billboard noted on September 30 that “Manager Buddy Fox reports that 15,000 turned out over the weekend to hear Baby Huey and Tommy James & the Shondells” October 20-21 – at the Cheetah with H.P. Lovecraft and the Litter October 22 – Benefit with the Litter at the Cheetah for the new Museum of Contemporary Art November 10-21 – at the Cheetah in Chicago December 30 – Bachelors Ball at the Frederick C. Crawford Auto-Aviation Museum, Cleveland. The Plain Dealer ran a large photo of Baby Huey on stage at the event, but the microfilm is too dark. December 31 – at the Cheetah in Chicago with the Exception
By late ’67 or 1968, Baby Huey and the Babysitters were managed by Marv Stuart’s State and Madison Management (listed as Marv Heiman on wikipedia).
Ad for Baby Huey at Grandmother’s in Lansing August 3, 1968
1968
at the Jaguar with the Shadows of Knight! March 16, 1968
February 1 – Michigan Tech Sno Ball in Houghton February 25 – American Internatonal College Winter Carnival, Springfield, MA March 1 – Electricians Hall, 5247 W. Madison with the Disciples of Mayhem March 16 – at the Jaguar with the Shadows of Knight March 23 – Marine Room at St. Clair hotel April 5 – The Deep End, Park Ridge, Illinois
Tantalizing ‘what-if’ from Robb Baker’s May 1, 1968 column. Unfortunately nothing ever materialized.Robb Baker gave a bizarre report in the May 1 Tribune:
Baby Huey and The Baby Sitters have been signed by George Badonsky of Dunwich Productions … Huey, who’s Mama Cass’ soul brother in several senses, is managed by “Tough” Teddy Allen. His former producer was Earl “Big Daddy” Glicken of Chicago, but he hasn’t recorded for over five years, Badonsky said. Several record companies are being contracted about contracts by the new producer.
They had recorded about three years earlier, not five. And unfortunately nothing ever came of an association with Dunwich, which is a shame. Badonsky and Bill Traut of Dunwich would have been a great choice to produce the band. Unfortunately, there seem to be no recordings of Baby Huey and the Baby Sitters from the time of the four songs recorded in early 1965 until the release of”Mighty Mighty” in April, 1969.
Earl Glicken only has a couple record credits, as supervisor on the Ideals 1966 remake of their own song, “Go-Go-Gorilla” on Satellite 2011, and producer of their classic “Go Get a Wig” on St. Lawrence 1001 in 1965. He may have had something to do with the re-release of Baby Huey’s “Monkey Man” on Satellite 2013.
at Mother Duck with the Box Tops November 23, 1968May 31 – The Deep End June 14 – Cleveland, reported by the Plain Dealer: “The 400-pund favorite of the younger set and his rock ‘n’ rollers came in from New York from a deb party which lasted until 5 a.m. yesterday morning to play for a dance given last night by four Hathaway Brown graduates for their friends at the Chagrin Valley Hunt Club. Hostesses were Robin Coakley, Paula Frohring, Suzy Sayle and Jane Wierdsma.” June 28 – The Deep End June 24-29 – Hollyoke Club, 3901 E. Wash. St., Indianapolis July 9 – Hullabaloo Club, Genoa Road, Belvidere, Illinois July 10 – The Deep End July 12 – The New Place with Christopher Robin & Friends July 19 – The Green Gorilla July 20 – The Cellar, with the Byzantine Empire July 26 – The Deep End August 2 – The Aragon on 1106 W. Lawrence August 3 – Grandmothers in Lansing August 7 – The New Place with Fire and Ice August 9 – The Cellar with the One Eyed Jacks August 9 & 10 – The Aragon with the Fenders and the Weaker Sex August 17 – The Deep End August 27 – at the Jaguar with Boston Tea Party October 25 – Wild Goose in Waukegan at 8:30, The New Place at 10:30 November 23 – at Mother Duck with the Box Tops November 27 – The Deep End with the Lights of Darkness November 29 – The Green Gorilla, Des Plaines American Legion Hall with the Commonwealth December 30 – Bachelor’s Ball at the Auto-Aviation Museum, Cleveland (follow-up item noted the band canceled due to auto accident so the Imperial Wonders subbed)
Later members of the Babysitters included:
Plato Jones – percussion Rick Marcotte – trumpet Byron Watkins – tenor sax Danny O’Neil – guitar Charley Clark – tenor sax Bobby Baker – alto sax and flute Turk Littles [Alton Little] – trumpet Othello Anderson – ?
These are the ones I’ve found in a smattering of news clips and in the comments below. The album credits five others: David Cook, Dan Alfano, dJack Renee, Phillip Henry, and Moose that I have not seen listed in the comments or news clips. Some of them could have been brought in to overdub the unfinished tracks for the album.
1969 Baby Huey & the Babysitters appear on the Soul! TV show, with Dee Dee Warwick, Lord Superior, Shirley Chisholm and Jacob Lawrence – anyone have a clip of this? Jet, March 6, 1969
January 10 – The Aragon with the Illusions and the North Syde January 17 – The Aragon with Operation Soul (formerly the Fenders) January 18 – The Aragon with the Buckinghams and Operation Soul February 7 – The Aragon with the Motown Sound, the West Side Story and the Rush Hour February 14 – Valentines party at the Cheetah March 1 – The Wild Goose, Rt 120 & Lewis Ave, Waukegan with the Illusions March 15 – The Aragon with Sam the Sham and United Nations March 16 – Gordon Technical High School, 3633 N. California Ave with the Mauds and the Soul Machine, 6-9 PM March 21 – The Chances ‘R’, Champaign, IL March 22 – The Wild Goose in Waukegan with Ben Franklin’s Almanac April 1 – University of Illinois, Chicago Circle Campus, 750 S. Halsted, benefit for Biafran Relief, 1-4 PM April 1 – first mention of their Buddah signing in Billboard April 3 – The Basement, 310 Pearl, Grand Rapids April 4 & 5 – The Aragon with Doug Clark & the Hot Nuts and the Green Men April 12 – “Fernando’s Musical Enterprises recently hosted a party for Baby Huey and the Babysitters at Barnaby’s Balcony. The group’s latest single on the Curtdom label is ‘Mighty Mighty Children'” – Billboard April 21 – new run starts at the Cheetah
On April 24, 1969, the Herald Tribune reported:
A part time Evanston Township High school English teacher and a former rock ’n’ roll musician were arrested yesterday on charges of possession of $2,000 worth of heroin and marijuana … Jeffrey Sowers, 22 … who played with Baby Huey and the Babysitters, a Chicago rock band, also was arrested in the raid on [Noreen Tasley’s] apartment.
I haven’t seen Jeff Sowers cited as a part of the Babysitters beyond this news item.
Lake Geneva, WisconsinApril 26 – “Baby Huey and the Baby Sitters are scheduled to be in New York next month to cut their first album for Curtom.” – Billboard April 30 and May 1 – at the Scotch Mist in Chicago May 1 – Billboard reports the group scheduled to record their first LP for Curtom in New York. May 2 – Chicago Tribune mentions Inner-National Booking “best known for its management of Baby Huey and the Babysitters. May 6 – Soul! TV show, with Dee Dee Warwick, Lord Superior, Shirley Chisholm and Jacob Lawrence – anyone have a clip of this? May 21 – Merv Griffin Show in New York (announced in Billboard May 17) May 22 – The Chances ‘R’, Champaign, Illinois May 29 – The Pier (formerly the Riviera Ballroom) in Lake Geneva May 30 – The Aragon with the Impressions Broadcast of the Merv Griffin Show on June 11, 1969June (2nd week) – Merv Griffin Show broadcast on various dates depending on city June 14 – The New Place with Mead June 21 – The Aragon with the Buckinghams and Von Ryan Express June 27 – The Aragon with Five Stairsteps & Cubie, and Spot & the Blotters July 26 – benefit for Reese hospital The Chronicle reported that Baby Huey cancelledAugust 1-3 – The Fillmore West with the Everly Brothers and Sons of Champlin Cancelled, Frumious Bandersnatch took their place August 4-5 – Basin Street West Most likely cancelled
In August, a syndicated column The Living Arts by Charles Hobson & Shelia Smith mentioned the group as being one of many to appear on the Chicago TV show Our People.
August 14 – Jet announces that Baby Huey was “ailing a bit” in Chicago. September 5 – The Rectry, 4850 Menaul NE, Albequerque, NM September 15-21 – the Whisky a-Go-Go with Eric Burdon of War October 24 & 25 – Lally’s at State & Chestnut with Aorta
On November 2, the Chicago Tribune ran a profile by Clarence Page of a new group tentatively called Funky Skull including Jim Armstrong and Ken McDowell from Them, Curtis Bachman from the Buckinghams, and Reno Smith from the Babysitters. Reno is quoted: “I have played with a small instrumentation before. You are much more free this way, liberated from the limits of a single role in a large group.”
December 5 – The Aragon with Wayne Cochran & the C.C. Riders
The Tribune reported on December 11 “Wayne Cochran brought his blond bouffant hair-do to the Rush Over, where he did an impromptu bit with Baby Huey & the Baby Sitters.”
At Lou’s Quarry, Appleton, Wisconsin, August 1, 1970
1970
Lou’s Quarry, Appleton, Wisconsin, August 1, 1970April 24 – Sound Storm Festival, Poynette, Wisconsin (There are a number of excellent photos at (Wisconsin Historical Society – search for Baby Huey or Sound Storm under photos and images.) February 4-8 – Whisky a-Go-Go, Los Angeles April 29 – Marian Central Catholic High School (winners of the Pine Brothers Cough Drops contest), Woodstock, IL with Tommy James & the Shondells, the Litter and the Saints & Sinners May 1-4 – The Dells at Lake Lansing May 22 – Streator, Ottawa, IL, with the Second Coming (formerly Buddy & the Citations) May 28 – The Tribune reports: “Baby Huey … reportedly has split up with the Baby Sitters and is rumored to be joining a Madison group, the Brotherhood.” June 17-21 – The Dells at Lake Lansing August 1 – Lou’s Quarry, Appleton, WI October 25 – Val-Air Ballroom, Des Moines, IA October 31 – Drake University Homecoming Dance, Val-Air Ballroom (scheduled but cancelled due to Jim Ramey’s passing on the 28th, replaced by Just Us and the Batch)
Baby Huey died in the Roberts Motel, 6635 S. King Drive, Chicago on October 28, 1970, after a show in Madison, Wisconsin.
Jet, November 12, 1970Billboard, December 5, 1970Jet, October 7, 1971
The Babysitters continued on for some time after James Ramey’s death, apparently with members such as Chaka Khan and her husband Hassan Khan, Charlie Clark (“Chup”), Jon French, Gail, Tommy Thompson, Kenny [surname?] … (see comments below).
Billboard mentioned that after Huey’s death, the Babysitters changed their name to Boink for at least one live show. However Robert Baker, in a comment below states “The Babysitters never changed their name to Boink. This was another concurrent group that had at least two ex-Babysitters in the group.” A listing for a December 4-6, 1970 appearance at the Factree in Calumet City specifies “formerly the Baby Huey Baby Sitters”.
I wrote this article in 2005 as a discussion of the early singles by Baby Huey and the Baby Sitters before Huey signed to Curtom and recorded the songs issued on his great posthumous LP. In subsequent years I added some photos, news clips and gig notices, then did a complete reworking of the article in 2026.
Live dates from publications including The Daily Herald, the Tribune, the Des Moines Register, the Belvidere Daily Republican and others. Certainly this is a far from complete list of their gigs, and also a number of those listed were probably cancelled or postponed.
In 2005 an acetate came up on auction that was supposed to be an unreleased instrumental by Baby Huey and the Baby Sitters. I had a sound clip up here for over a year before Mark Namath identified it as “Zoobie” by the Noisemakers. The acetate was probably a DJ or collector’s cut misidentified as Baby Huey – there’s no connection between the groups.
Baby Huey profiled in the The Daily Journal (Fergus Falls, Minnesota), March 20, 1969
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The Five Bucks had two of the finest harmony songs of the mid-60’s: “No Use in Trying” and “I’ll Walk Alone”. The group had a third 45 as the Five Bucks, and then three more releases as the Byzantine Empire. Jim Heddle of Ann Arbor wrote to me and said I should cover the Five Bucks, “WPAG played ‘Now You’re Gone’, which was a ballad, but I remember WAAM playing the b-side, ‘No Use In Trying’, which is a great rocker.”
The Five Bucks opened for The Doors, fall of ’67 for our U/Michigan Homecoming. Morrison got booed off the stage, he was drunk and the crowd wanted to DANCE. The student in charge came begging to us, “Please go back up and quiet down this crowd.” We took to the stage and opened with the Temps’ “Ain’t to Proud to Beg” and the place went crazy and the night was saved. Huge crowd, the old U/M gym, high stage, it was nuts.
At some point in 1964 or 1965, Johnny Ross, also from Richmond, IN, joined on guitar. They were joined by Chicago musicians Dennis Moore on drums and Larry Sales on bass.
The next two recordings are the influential “Monkey Man”, credited to John R. Ross, though Monkey Man is certainly an adaption of the Madisons “Bad Baboon”. James Kargman took arranging credit on “Monkey Man”. Copyright was registered on April 23, 1965.
St. Lawrence 1002 – Monkey Man / Beg Me (1965, issued on both blue and white labels)
