After the Flys: the Third Row. From left: Gary (surname? – original drummer), Tom Smith, Steve Widmeyer, Bill Lyons, Dave Reemsnyder, and Don Ransom
The Flys:
Steve Widmeyer – lead vocals, rhythm & lead guitar Dave Reemsnyder – bass Bill Lyons – keyboard, vocals Randy Dunham – guitar, vocals Jim (surname ?) – drums
The Flys were students at West Virginia Wesleyan College in Buckhannon, close to the Ohio border. I had no information about the band until Steve Widmeyer left a comment (see below).
In 1966 they traveled over 200 miles to McLean, VA, near Washington DC, where they settled for the summer and cut their two 45s for Myskatonic, perhaps their own label.
Their first 45 is “Reality Composition #1”, written by John Elvin and Stephen Widmeyer, backed by a fine version of the Stones’ “Got to Get Away” and released with a green label.
Then came the fantastic “Be What You Is”, one of Mort Shuman’s more obscure songwriting efforts. Shuman co-wrote it with occasional collaborator Leslie MacFarland (J. Leslie McFarland, who also co-wrote “Stuck On You” for Elvis with Aaron Schroeder). An anonymous commenter below (“The Fly”) says the band outbid the Rascals for the right to record the song.
On the flip is “The Way Things Are”, an original by Steve Widmeyer. I’ve seen both white and orange labels for this one. The records are credited as F.G.I. (Four Guys) Productions.
The band evolved into the Third Row – that band’s drummer Thomas Smith has sent the photo of that band seen above. Steve Widmeyer, Bill Lyons and Dave Reemsnyder remained from the Flys, the others were new members.
Jerry Scotti, Freddie DeRubeis, Joe Liotta and George Napolitano in Freddie’s backyard, 1964
Inspired by the Beatles’ performances on Ed Sullivan in 1964, four friends in Bensonhurst, Brooklyn decided to form a band they would call the Creations. George Napolitano, Jerry Scotti, Dominic Coppola and Fred DeRubeis began lessons with Pete Frias, guitarist for the Peppermint Lounge act Jimmy & the Jesters. Two other friends, Joey Sirico and Joe Liotta soon joined. Pete not only taught them music, but assigned each of them the instrument they should play for the band.
The Creations performed at local churches and halls including the Teenage Cabaret and the “No Name” club on 60th St and 14th Ave in Brooklyn. They attracted notice with their spot-on renditions of songs by the Animals and the Dave Clark 5. Joe Liotta’s increasing ability on the Vox Continental organ gave them a professional sound that other bands lacked.
First Creations promo photo: Dom, George, Freddie, Joe L. and Jerry
Their two big breaks, though, came one Saturday in March 1965, when their new manager Bob Herin booked the band on Murray the K matinee show at the Brooklyn Fox Theatre with the Chambers Brothers. The Creations played a longer set than usual to fill in for the Rascals, who couldn’t get their equipment off of the Barge in Long Island. The audience response was tremendous, reaching Beatlemania type proportions. Charged by this reaction, they then went and auditioned for Jack Spector, AM radio WMCA’s star DJ who was looking for a house band for the stations “Good Guys” shows.
Landing the job, they began playing Good Guy shows regularly on Fridays, playing their own sets and backing touring acts. Bob Herin turned management of the Creations over to Billy and Steve Jerome, who managed the Left Banke among others. The band would soon change their name to the Ox-Bow Incident and record two fine 45s for Smash and a third, with a somewhat different lineup, for Avco.
George and Joe Sirico at the Worlds Fair, 1964
Before the name change and these releases, they recorded a handful of demos that were never released, including “Get on My Train” and “I’ve Paid My Dues”. I asked guitarist George Napolitano about the band’s early days as the Creations:
Q: What were the circumstances behind the demo recordings?
George Napolitano: The demo “I’ve Paid My Dues” was recorded at the request of Billy and Steve Jerome. They asked us to put something down so that they could give a listen. We had recorded “I’ve Paid My Dues” about 6 months earlier and this version was our second recording of that song. We also did “Get on My Train” at the same session.
Q: Who wrote “Get On My Train” and “I’ve Paid My Dues”?
George Napolitano: I don’t remember who wrote “I’ve Paid My Dues”. It was given to us on sheet music and we were “told” to work on it. “Get on My Train” was written by a friend named Denver Ruggins. He gave us the song and we changed it a bit. The demo was recorded on a 4 track Ampeg Machine at Rossi Sound Studio in Brooklyn and transferred to acetate. I have the original acetate and from the acetate we made the CD copy.
Q: Where was Rossi Sound Studios?
George Napolitano: 2005 West 8th Street Brooklyn, 23 NY is the address on the record label. If I remember correctly that was between Avenues T and U on West 8th Street.
George Napolitano
Q: Was the band still called the Creations at that point?
George Napolitano: We were still the Creations when we recorded the demos but changed the name shortly afterwards to the Ox-Bow Incident. The lineup for the original session was myself on guitar, Joe Sirico bass, Fred DeRubeis drums, Joe Liotta Vox organ and vocals, Dominic Coppola guitar. When we re-recorded the song Jerry replaced Dominic Coppola on guitar. After we recorded “I’ve Paid My Dues” and “Get On My Train” we were signed to a production contract with Billy and Steve Jerome. At the time they also managed the Fifth Estate and were part of the team behind the Left Banke who had a hit with “Walk Away Rene”. They gave us the song “Beg, Borrow or Steal” to record and we had it mastered and ready to be released. However the Ohio Express version was released before ours and it never came out. In fact that was 2 years before Reach Out was released.
Jerry, Joe, George, Freddie, Joe onstage at a WMCA “Good Guy” show
Q: Were these songs part of your live set?
George Napolitano: Whenever we performed on a WMCA ”Good Guy” show we would play the songs as part of the “show” and then we would back up all of the other acts that needed musical accompaniment. Remember this was way before the days of singers singing over pre-recorded tracks. We provided the music for groups such as the Chiffons, Peaches and Herb, Chubby Checker, the Shangra-Las, Jimmy Jones, the Jive 5, Neil Sedaka and countless others. In fact just this past week I saw Neil Sedaka and I mentioned to him that my band use to back him up on the “Good Guy” shows. He smiled and said, “I remember those days fondly”. We never rehearsed with him. Whenever he arrived Jack Spector would immediately put him on stage and Sedaka would turn to us, snap his fingers and say “C- Am- F-G” and proceed to sing “Calendar Girl”, “Breaking Up Is Hard to Do”, “Oh Carol” and all the rest of his songs.
Q: How was the NY music ‘scene’ at the time? Did you get much chance to see other bands or only when you shared bills with other bands?
George Napolitano: We played a lot, practically every weekend so we really didn’t get much of a chance to see the other groups that were around at the time. When we weren’t playing our respective girlfriends expected us to spend time with them and not go listening to the other groups. We did go to see some of our friends groups such as Lurch & the Brats, The Intruders and others from time to time but when we were “off” we tried to stay away from the clubs and catch up on those things which we couldn’t do whenever we were playing. That being said whenever we could we did try to get to the Electric Circus or go to the Fillmore East to see The Jefferson Airplane, The Doors and whoever else was playing, but with our schedule that didn’t happen often.
The Ox-Bow Incident at Coney Island (l-r): Joe Liotta, Jerry Scotti, Fred DeRubeis, George Napolitano, Joe Sirico
Signed to the Smash label, the Ox-Bow Incident didn’t release a record until 1968. By this time were heading in a more soulful direction, using a leslie speaker on the organ and adding lead singer Billy Sheehan from another local band, the Intruders. Unfortunately, Sheehan was drafted immediately after the band recorded a fine, somewhat psychedelicized version of the Four Top’s “Reach Out”. They recruited Al Tessitore to sing on the b-side, the garage song “Harmonica Man”. “Reach Out” made local radio charts as far away as Kentucky (WKLO) and Wisconsin (the first Instant Pick on WSPT), but missed the national charts despite good commercial potential.
They followed up with the catchy “You Can’t Make Love By Yourself”, sung by Al and “Lurch” Luis Pagan and featuring session player Vinny Bell on electric sitar. The flipside is “She’s Gone”, a heavy soul number written by Fred DeRubeis and George. Neither side caught on with radio or the public and the band disbanded in 1969. George and Joe Sirico found other musicians to record a final 45 for Avco, then reunited with most of the original members for live shows into 1973.
The Ox-Bow Incident is still performing and recording music to this day. Those who want to hear more of their music should check out their myspace page, which has a history of the band and many more photos than I could reproduce here. There’s also a long interview with George Napolitano and Joe Sirico from Mike Dugo’s 60sgaragebands.com site, archived here. Both of these were sources for this story, along with my own interview with George Napolitano. Special thanks to George and the other members of the Ox-Bow Incident for sharing these rarely heard songs.
Jerry, Joe S, Freddie, Joe L in studio during “Reach Out” session.
Featuring members of the Brogues and the Ratz, the Family Tree made this one 45 for the Mira label before releasing several singles and an lp on RCA and a final 45 on Paula. The RCA records have a polished English pop quality to the production, while this earlier Mira record has more of an Northern California garage sound.
You could say “Prince of Dreams” is heavily influenced by Dylan, while “Live Your Own Life” is reminiscent of the Beau Brummels, but this doesn’t take away from the quality of both songs.
Bob Segarini from Stockton, California was in a group called Us who made demos for the Autumn label that were never released. He then went into the Ratz, which included Gary Grubb better known as Gary Duncan of Quicksilver Messenger Service.
Duncan left the Ratz for the Brogues, who also included bassist Bill Whittington. The Brogues released two great 45s I’ll cover here someday. With members Rick Campbell and Eddie Rodrigues entering the draft, the Brogues broke up. Bill Whittington and Segarin formed the Family Tree, with Mike Olsen on keyboards and Newman Davis on drums. Mike Dure joined on guitar by the time of this recording, as he is co-writer of “Live Your Own Life” with Segarini.
Bob Segarini:
The Family Tree’s first record was for Mira, the people that did “Hey Joe” by the Leaves. Mira put out a single, “Prince of Dreams”, in ’66, and we had a lot of gigs and stuff.
We went into Gold Star [Studios] with [engineer] Doc Siegel and recorded for a week towards an album for Mira. We cut eight tracks; they were sort of produced by Sonny Bono, who was working in Studio B with Phil Spector on something.
Brian Wilson was doing the Smile album when we were in there. In fact, members of the Family Tree played things [on the Smile sessions] like the saw, hammer, and nail, and I believe I played the electric drill. We were there when they had the fire in the bucket, and they all had the little firemen’s hats on.
The Mira LP never materialized, but the demos from that session led to the contract with RCA. The band went through several personnel changes, and I’m not sure if Mike Olsen (who later changed his name to Lee Michaels) played on the Mira sessions. Bob Segarini went into Roxy and then the Wackers, and continues to make music to this day.
Source: Bob Segarini quoted by Ritchie Unterberger in his notes on Roxy.
Special thanks to JG for sharing the 45 scans and music.
l-r: George “Butch” Kelly, Gerald Pynckel, Harry Kerr, Wayne Van Doren. Taken at Harbor Lites Teen Dance Center, Dunbury, August 1968
Recently I heard from Wayne Van Doren who had been in the Vandaliers and a later group, the Mail Order. Wayne generously shared his account of the Mail Order and two songs they recorded which were never released. Following is Wayne’s account in his own words:
The Mail Order was formed in November of 1967 by myself and Harry Kerr after the breakup of the Vandaliers. The band included Harry Kerr of Bowling Green on electric bass, Wayne Van Doren of Clyde on drums, George “Butch” Kelly of Toledo on organ and Jerry Pynckel (formerly of Johnny and The Hurricanes from 1959-62 and Donnie Bryan and The Raging Storms from 1962-66) on lead guitar.
The band played many night clubs and teen dance centers throughout northern Ohio: the 224 Club in Tiffin, Circus Club and Piccadilly Club in Bowling Green, the Metropol in Napoleon, the Faba in Toledo and the teen dance center the Harbor Lites in Danbury.
On October 3, 1968 the band recorded two songs at United Sound Sytems in Detroit, Michigan. The songs were ‘The Things Before Me’ written by Wayne Van Doren and ‘If I Didn’t Love You’ written by Wayne Van Doren and Jerry Pynckel. Jerry and I had written three more songs, ‘We Said Goodbye’, ‘Patterns’ and ‘Taking A Trip’ that did not get recorded that day.
The day this recording was made two of the original band members could not make it for reasons I can not remember. Jerry, at the last minute, had to call musician friends of his to go to the studio with us. They had not heard the songs before. Jerry and I had to teach them the songs on the drive to Detroit.
The recording of both songs lasted two hours. The total cost for 2 hours studio time, 1 hour of editing time and one 1/2 inch tape was $175.60. I paid for this myself and it looked like a lot of money for the time. The vocal on ‘Things Before Me’ needed more work, but I was afraid to spend the money.
In November of 1968 Jerry and I took the demo record to Marshall Chess at Chess, Checker and Cadet Records in Chicago, Illinois. Marshall liked ‘The Things Before Me’ and made an appointment for us to spend a day in the studio. When we were to go to Chess for a re-cut, again, two members had club contract commitments and could not make the trip. That did not look good to Marshall and he turned us down, and instead signed a group called The Rotary Connectiion.
In January of 1969, I sent the studio tape of The Things Before Me and If I Didn’t Love You to Apple Corps Ltd. at 3 Savile Row London, England. In March of 1969, the tape was returned to me with a very nice letter saying “We regret that we are not at this time able to proceed with what you have in mind. Very best wishes and kindest regards. Yours sincerely, John Hewlett.” [Apple filed away thousands of submissions without even reviewing them or responding. You have a rare item there Wayne! – ed.]
With Harry and I working 40 hour a week day jobs and playing 7 nights a week, it proved to be too much. In April of 1969, the Mail Order broke up.
High schoolers from Yonkers, NY, they had this one 45 then disappeared. They may have been local competitors of the Chain Reaction who had a 45 on Date, “When I Needed You”.
The catchy “Lela” was produced by Ted Varnick, a veteran in the music biz who also produced the Forsaken, on MTA, a group I covered just a short while back.
Varnick co-wrote “Lela” with J. Lynch, and also wrote the b-side, a flimsy piece of harmony pop called “Garden of Eden” that’s not without a certain paisley charm – prescient too considering this was released in October of 1966. CBS picked it up for release in the UK, but I don’t know of this making the charts anywhere.
The Yo Yo’s were all from Brooklyn, NY, becoming one of the biggest groups in the city by 1967. They cut one great 45 on the Coral label, an original song “Crack in My Wall” and a fine adaption of Poe’s “The Raven” on the b-side. I love the thunderous opening chords and drum roll on “The Raven”, ominous and fantastic!
They began when bassist Alan Aaron formed a group called the Starfires. The original singer, Frankie Vee (Nick) brought in Larry Elliott on lead guitar and Tommy Zumba on rhythm in 1965. Tommy Zumba’s friend Jeff Miller became the drummer, and then Pepe Cardona took over from Frankie on vocals.
The band changed their name to the Yo Yo’s when Lou Sudano and Barry Flickstein became their managers, forming Louba Productions. They met the band through Lou’s son Bruce, who was a friend of Jeff Miller. Lou and Barry encouraged the band to replace Pepe with a better singer named Ray Sabatis, who took on the stage name “Christopher Shane”. Pepe remained friends with the band and went on to form Alive N’ Kickin’.
The band won a number of local battle-of-the-bands, played at clubs like Steve Paul’s the Scene, Joel Heller’s Eighth Wonder and the Cheetah, appeared on the John Zacherley TV show Disc-O-Teen, and even toured with the Lester Lanin Orchestra as the ‘rock’ portion of the act.
Larry Elliott and Alan composed the music for both “The Raven” and “Crack In My Wall” and Ray Sabatis (Shane) wrote the words to “Crack In My Wall”. Barry Flickstein’s name appears on the credits to “Crack in My Wall”, but Alan maintains Barry had nothing to do with the songwriting.
“Crack In My Wall” and “The Raven” both received “B+” ratings in Billboard, but Coral didn’t put any promotional effort behind the band.
The band broke up in 1969 due to a combination of having their equipment stolen and a general feeling that they wouldn’t find success. Sadly, Ray Sabatis (Christopher Shane) committed suicide shortly after the group broke up. Photos of the band were taken, but none have surfaced that I know of. Does anyone have a photo of the group?
These Yo Yo’s have nothing to do with the Memphis Yo Yo’s who recorded two 45s for Goldwax.
Born in the Paris district of Ménilmontant, Annie Philippe became a DJ at the Paris club Twenty One when she was just seventeen.
Meeting Paul Mauriat there led to an audition with the Riviera label, where she released 4 EPs beginning in 1964. In early 1966, her fourth EP contained her biggest hit, “Ticket de quai”, and also included one of my favorites “On m’a toujours dit”, with its fuzz guitar and handclaps.
After moving to the Philips label, she released the great “C’est la mode” in late 1966. This track is almost hypnotic in its buzzing guitar, heavy beat and layered vocals. She continued recording regularly through 1969 with occasional success, then made a comeback attempt in the late ’70’s.
Formed in ’64, the Jaguars were from Michigan (perhaps the small town of Bloomingdale in the southwest corner of the state) but traveled all the way down to the tiny resort town of Santa Claus, Indiana to record their one 45.
Otherwise I don’t know anything about the group, or who was in it.
The band pounds away on “It’s Gonna Be Alright”, written by Hosner and Leathers. The flip, “I Never Dream of You”, shows none of the same energy.
The Skoop label had several good garage bands on it, including the Nomads’ “Coolsville” (Skoop 1065) and the Weejuns’ “Way Down” (Skoop 1068). The related Showboat label also promoted garage records like the Wild Ones’ “I’m Not For You” and the Misfits’ “I’ll Feel Better”.
Is this the same band as Les Chantels who had several 45s on the Fantastic and A1 labels, including “L’avion de Son”? Some sources say so, but it seems unlikely to me.
The sound is just too different. The band doing “Shaggy Baggy Joe” is extremely well produced compared to the murkier sound of many Montreal bands. As musicians they’re more accomplished than Les Chantels, nor do they use fuzz on the guitar. Plus there’s the fact that both of these songs are sung in English. Why would a jeans maker sponsor a French speaking band to make a promotional 45 in English? Furthermore, the songwriter on both these sides, one “Henry” does not match any of the names of Les Chantels.
Uncertainty aside, here are two very catchy numbers, with “Have You Ever Felt Blue” having a slight edge in my book. The guitarist throws in all kinds of riffs and the lyrics to both songs are a laugh. “Baggys are out … TeeKays are in!”
Since posting this there have been a lot of comments with more info. Also, their excellent first single (I think) has just been posted up at Mr Ed Music Round Up.
Another promotion for TeeKays (thanks to J. at Alpha Pest)
Out of Tyler, Texas come Billy McKnight & The Plus 4 on the Custom label. “You’re Doin’ Me Wrong” is a fine Yardbirds-influenced punker, the drumming is especially fluid. An odd feature is the way the song fades out twice, each time coming back with a shrill keyboard note.
“Time Wasted” is almost country in its sound. I don’t know who else was in the band; Larry Graham did the arranging.
Both songs were written by McKnight and Curtis Kirk, who ran Custom and also owned Tyler Publishing. It seems he was the type of publisher who had his name added onto every song released on his label. Kirk had been a country singer in the ’50s (info on his first session here), most notably cutting “I Can’t Take It With Me”.
“Unlike Robin [Hood Brians], who began in the living room and moved to the back yard, Curtis started in his garage and stayed there!” – from a feature on Tyler studios in Billboard’s Sept. 8, 1973 issue.
This was the first garage 45 released on Kirk’s own Custom Records, which usually released country or gospel 45s. After the Billy McKnight 45, Custom released a killer by the Reddlemen , “I’m Gonna Get in that Girl’s Mind” and a very good one by the Brym-Stonz Ltd.
Billy released a 45 on International Artists the following year as Billy Wade McKnight, “Trouble’s Comin’ On” / “I Need Your Lovin'”, both McKnight originals. These are lighter pop sides, verging on country music, and were produced by Curtis Kirk and Steve Wright, and arranged by Larry Graham.
In 1970 he cut another single as Billy Wade McKnight on Congress, “Stacey” / “Mary Anne”, produced by Tommy Cogbill, but I haven’t heard this yet.
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The Flys:
Their first 45 is “Reality Composition #1”, written by John Elvin and Stephen Widmeyer, backed by a fine version of the Stones’ “Got to Get Away” and released with a green label.
George Napolitano: We were still the Creations when we recorded the demos but changed the name shortly afterwards to the Ox-Bow Incident. The lineup for the original session was myself on guitar, Joe Sirico bass, Fred DeRubeis drums, Joe Liotta Vox organ and vocals, Dominic Coppola guitar. When we re-recorded the song Jerry replaced Dominic Coppola on guitar. After we recorded “I’ve Paid My Dues” and “Get On My Train” we were signed to a production contract with Billy and Steve Jerome. At the time they also managed the Fifth Estate and were part of the team behind the Left Banke who had a hit with “Walk Away Rene”. They gave us the song “Beg, Borrow or Steal” to record and we had it mastered and ready to be released. However the Ohio Express version was released before ours and it never came out. In fact that was 2 years before Reach Out was released.
Signed to the Smash label, the Ox-Bow Incident didn’t release a record until 1968. By this time were heading in a more soulful direction, using a leslie speaker on the organ and adding lead singer Billy Sheehan from another local band, the Intruders. Unfortunately, Sheehan was drafted immediately after the band recorded a fine, somewhat psychedelicized version of the Four Top’s “Reach Out”. They recruited Al Tessitore to sing on the b-side, the garage song “Harmonica Man”. “Reach Out” made local radio charts as far away as Kentucky 
