Category Archives: 20th Century Fox

Jim Weatherly “I’m Gonna Make It”

Jim Weatherly Cash Box March 5, 1965
Cash Box March 5, 1965
I have to thank Lee Bryant for tipping me on to Jim Weatherly’s stomping single, “I’m Gonna Make It” on 20th Century Fox 565.

Jim Weatherly 20th Century Fox 45 I'm Gonna Make ItJ.D. Lobue and Leland Russell wrote “I’m Gonna Make It”. Jim Weatherly wrote the B-side, the Elvis-sounding “Wise Men Never Speak”, which he copyrighted in April, 1964.

Lobue and Russell had a band with Jim since their days at the University of Mississippi, where Jim Weatherly was a star quarterback. After college they moved to Los Angeles to try to succeed in the music business.

On March 5, 1965, Cash Box announced “The grid star kicks off his disk career with a driving rocker”. It would be three years before any further releases, or any press would mention Jim Weatherly or his group, who would eventually be named the Gordion Knot.

In February, 1968, Cash Box reported the Gordian Knot had signed to Verve for four singles and an album. A short article in Record World in April listed the Gordian Knot’s members as: Pat Kincade, guitar; J.D. Lobue, organ; Leland Russell, bass; Dulin Lancaster, drums; and Jim Weatherly, piano. I am not sure if Pat Kincade and Dulin Lancaster also played on the 20th Century Fox single, but the article notes notes the band “have been working together for five years” and that John Babcock was their manager.

There were a number of songs copyrighted that do not seem to have been recorded and/or released:

Weatherly and Pat Kincade published “Just Another Day” in March, 1964.

In June of 1966, Jim Weatherly registered eight songs with a solo writing credit, none of which were on the Gordion Knot album, Tones: “I Can’t Be Hurt Any More”, “Mama, Your Daddy’s Come Home”, “The Morning After Rain”, “She Belongs to Yesterday”, “Sorrow’s Child”, “Turn Him Away”, “Waiting For the Day”, and “You Were Never Mine”, all published by Vivace Music.

The only song registered in June of 1966 that would show up on the Gordian Knot LP was “It’s Gonna Take a Lot” by Weatherly and Pat Kincade.

The Gordian Knot pursued a lighter pop direction on their two singles and album; “The Year of the Sun” (written by Leon Russell) is a good example of their sound. The flip, Jim Weatherly’s “If Only I Could Fly” is one of their more rocking songs.

In retrospect, “I’m Gonna Make It” is a very good single, and it’s surprising how little known it is. The single also seems to be rare now. I wonder if there are other recordings from the early days of the band that would show their development or directions they didn’t pursue.

Jim Weatherly of course would go on to have a long career as a hit songwriter and performer, but that is covered in depth elsewhere.

This is not the same Jim Weatherly who recorded with the Mozark Music Makers on the Mozark label of Springfield, Missouri.

Anyone have a photo of the group before they became the Gordion Knot?

Gordian Knot Record World April 20, 1968
Record World April 20, 1968

Cliff White and the Dovers cover the Zombies

Cliff White and the Dovers 20th Century Fox 45 I Don't Want to KnowThis is an odd single, an unknown group named Cliff White and the Dovers doing two non-hit Zombies songs “I Don’t Want to Know” (written by Chris White), backed with Rod Argent’s “Women”.

The group do a decent job on both songs, though neither cut has the magic of the originals. There’s a question of whether this is an English recording only released in the U.S., or if this is a U.S. act. I think the latter, as I found the English accent on “I Don’t Want to Know” to be contrived. Also, the production credit, M.J.B. Prod. for R.P.M. Ent. Inc. may give one clue, as RPM Enterprises was Charles Calello’s production company for some Lou Christie MGM recordings.

Released on 20th Century Fox 631 in the first half of 1966, the Mainstay Publishing credit is correct for the Zombies songs.

There was a Cliff White from London who was in a beat or R&B group in 1966, but went on to be a writer and reissue producer, but I don’t know if this is his recording. A suggestion that this was the Dovers on Miramar is laughable. Cliff White and the Dovers 20th Century Fox 45 Woman

The Riders of the Mark and John Hill

Riders of the Mark 20th Century Fox 45 Gotta Find Somebody

In November 1967 a single by the Riders of the Mark came out on 20th Century Fox Records 45-6694. One side is the very accessible “Gotta Find Somebody”; the flip is the wild two minutes of “The Electronic Insides and Metal Complexion That Make Up Herr Doktor Krieg”.

Teen Beat Mayhem lists locations of Moorestown, New Jersey which is east of Philadelphia, and Lancaster, Pennsylvania, over an hour’s drive to the west. 


Riders of the Mark 20th Century Fox 45 The Electronic Insides and Metal Complexion that Make Up Herr Dokter KriegThe Riders of the Mark may have been a real group, but the credits on their 20th Century Fox single don’t support that idea, and instead point to John Hill, Don Cochrane and their associates.

John Hill wrote “Gotta Find Somebody”; John Hill and Don Cochrane wrote “The Electronic Insides and Metal Complexion That Make Up Herr Doktor Krieg”. Blackwood Music published both songs, and the Blackwood connection features in the lead for news items on the recording in Cash Box and Record World. Tony Luis and John Hill produced both sides, and Hill arranged “… Herr Doktor Krieg”.

Riders of the Mark Record World 1967 November 4
Record World, November 4, 1967

John Hill and Don Cochrane composed “Love, Love, Love, Love, Love” for the Nite People, also done by Wool, and John Hill released it under his own name on a Columbia 45 backed with “I’m a Bear”.

Hill produced and played guitar on Margo Guryan’s 1968 LP Take a Picture, and produced the sessions that would be released as Susan Christie’s Paint a Lady. Studio musicians included Kirk Hamilton on bass and Jim Valerio on drums. These were done at Philadelphia’s Sigma Sound Studios, but since that studio opened in 1968, I have to assume the Riders of the Mark single was recorded elsewhere.

In 2009, Finders Keepers Records released some of his 1970 sessions at Sigma Sound as John Hill’s 6 Moons of Jupiter.

John Hill Riders of the Mark Cash Box 1967 December 2
Cash Box, December 2, 1967