There’s more to the Counts IV than I originally thought. Don Roof was sixteen when he started his first band The Little Boppers in Goldsboro, NC, southeast of Raleigh. Don was stocking vending machines at Seymour Johnson Air Force Base just outside Goldsboro when he met three musicians stationed at the base: Rick Turner, Joe Booher, and Al Peluso and together they formed the Counts IV.
The original Counts IV were Don Roof – vocals, rhythm guitar, harmonica; Joe Booher – lead guitar, vocals; Al Peluso – bass, vocals; and Rick Turner – drums. Their competition around the Goldsboro area came from the Spectaculars, with Bill Stroud on sax.
They were regarded as having the British invasion sound down, which is apparent on “Lost Love”, the breezy B-side of their first 45. The A-side, “Listen to Me” stands out with its vocal trills and purposefully dissonant harmonies. Melodically it sounds sort of like an adaption of Larry Williams’ “Slow Down”. “Listen to Me” was written by Joseph Booher, and “Lost Love” by Albert A. Peluso.
This is one of the earlier releases on Raleigh DJ Jimmy Capps’ JCP label, which would date it to approximately late 1965 or early 1966. It came with a picture sleeve, occasionally done for JCP releases like the Invaders’ “(You Really) Tear Me Up” and a Dayv Butler 45. The group is listed as the Counts Four on the sleeve, but the JCP label and their next 45 both refer to them as the Counts IV.
The band replaced Rick Turner with Enrique Pacheco (‘Chico’), and toured from South Carolina up to New York. They played many shows at the Round Table in Washington D.C. and for a time were the house band at the Cavalier Club in Charlottesville, Virginia.
Their second 45, “Spoonful” / “Where Are You” was recorded in New York and came out on the CBS subsidiary Date in 1966. “Spoonful” is an adaption of the Willie Dixon song, while “Where Are You” is an upbeat original by Donald Roof with some odd female backing vocals.
Around late ’66 or early ’67 the Counts IV recorded two songs at a D.C. studio that went unreleased at the time and are now available on a Sundazed 7″. One is a cover of “It’s All Over Now, Baby Blue”, but the other is a very interesting original by Don Roof called “Discussion Of The Unorthodox Council”.
This turns out to be the same song as “What Good Is Up”, a great track released under the name The Inexpensive Handmade Look on Brunswick in August of 1968. In fact I’m almost positive it’s the same take, though the Brunswick 45 has serious amounts of echo and effects added to the performance. I wonder if someone at Brunswick retitled the song, which doesn’t quite match up with the lyrics. The Brunswick label lists Ben Mullarkey, Mike Divilion and Mike Kelly as producers. It’s backed with “Ice Cream Man”, another Donald Roof composition.
What place is up if fate has no eyes?
What smile is happiness if hate lingers on?
What word is truth if evil holds on?
What lives are lived if this […?]What motion is man if Satan holds on?
What is right? – ah, who can tell?But I know the truth is written … if you look for it.
What cries are heard if people can’t see?
What sins are left if everything’s wrong?
What skies are up if all roads lead down?
What ships can sail if seas have all dried?What left is death if people don’t live?
What are we, if the world does not turn?But I know the truth is written … if you look for it!
There were personnel changes around this time, as Doug Farwig replaced Al Peluso.
Bassist Doug Farwig wrote in about his time with the group:
I was a member of The Inexpensive Hand Made Look. Ha! What a name.
I was very good friends with the Counts IV. I actually joined the Counts IV in Washington DC after their bass player Al left the band during a fight at one of their rehearsals. I had just left my North Carolina band “The Fabulous Dimensions”, also out of Goldsboro, NC and had gone to DC to visit The Counts IV who were playing in a Georgetown club called “The Round Table” when their little spat happened and I just so happened to be there.
They all turned to me at once and said “Doug, how would you like to play bass in our band”. I didn’t know what to say at first because I was a guitar player. I didn’t have any bass type equipment or anything. They talked me into it and off we went to Washington Music to make my big purchase. The rest is history so to speak, because I’ve been a bass player ever since.
I now live just outside of Orlando, Fl in one of the suburbs called Longwood and have been here since 1970. During that time, I have played in many bands the best of which was a group called “The Gatton Gang” in the mid 1970’s. That was a very good band and we toured with it thoughout most of the easten part of the country.
I still see and am now recording with the keyboard player (Kibby Gary) and the guitar player (Rick Warsing). Both are excellent palyers and they both have remained active in the business while I only play part time. I started my own construction conpany which is still active now.
Why no mention of “The Embers” from Raleigh? They were fabulous and even had their own strings of dinner clubs through out the state. We would run into them all over the place. Sometimes in Virginia at some frat house were they would be playing next door or as openers for some of the big shows that would come though our area from time to time.
Another one is “The Villagers”. They had their own Saturday morning TV show based out of Charlotte. They were a big band with about 9 pieces and had a guy and a gal out front that were very good. The Inexpensive Hand Made Look actually played on one of their TV shows.
Ken Taylor, drummer for Mike and the Dimensions, told me the story of how he joined the Counts IV:
Doug Farwig and I had played together in The Dimensions … We used to go see the Counts IV at the teen club on Seymour Johnson Air Force base and wanted to be just like them. They wore black turtle neck shirts, tight jeans and “Beatle boots” and we thought they were the coolest thing we had ever seen! We idolized the Counts IV and traveled with them as roadies when they opened for the Dave Clark 5. They also opened for the Zombies and I’ll never forget Chico teaching me how the drummer played the opening lick on “She’s Not There”.
Joe Booher quit the Counts IV and they broke up. Al and Chico went back to New York. We hooked up with Don Roof who had a bunch of gigs already booked to form the new Counts IV which later became the Inexpensive Handmade Look. Joe joined us for a while and we called ourselves the Counts IV but changed the name after Joe quit again.
Chico came to play with us and I was the front man. Chico quit after a while to return to his family in N.Y. and I went back on drums. I am the guy singing on “Ice Cream Man” with Inexpensive Handmade Look. When we went to N.Y. to record “Ice Cream Man” I’m pretty sure the producer was the same guy that the Counts IV had worked with and he decided to put their song on the flip side. I think they added the effects to try to make it more psychedelic.
We added another guitarist named Bill Collins also known as Mojo Collins who is still playing around North Carolina to this day.
After Doug Farwig left IHL, Don Roof and I formed a new band called Strange Brew with some guys we had met in Atlanta, GA and started playing in clubs down there. We met this guy named Jeff Lee who was a local pot dealer with connections in L.A. He supposedly got us booked at the Whiskey A Go Go and we pooled our meager funds and headed West.
We drove across the country in a Chevy van with five guys and all our equipment. When we got to L.A. we quickly found out there was no gig. We managed to find a job three doors down from the Whiskey at a bar called the Galaxy. One night this guy came in and invited us to an after hours party at the Hollywood Landmark hotel. He turned out to be Shep Gordon and offered to manage our band. He said he had a group from Phoenix that he was handling who were starving but that he believed were going to be very successful. That band turned out to be Alice Cooper and Shep is still Alice’s manager today.
We decided not to take him up on the offer (big mistake!) and a few days later we broke up after someone stole our lead player’s guitars. His name is Spencer Kirkpatrick and he was so bummed he flew back to Atlanta the next day. He later signed with Capricorn records and formed a band named Hydra.
Don went back to Atlanta and I went to D.C. where I literally ran into Doug Farwig walking down the street. That’s when he offered me the job with Wild Honey. Their drummer had left so they hired me and we had a house gig at the Bayou in Georgetown, six hours a night, six nights a week making $200.00 a week. That was a really good band with great vocals but a lot of ego problems. Once again the band broke up and I went to London, England to play and record with Denny Laine (Moody Blues, Wings).
After freezing and starving in England, I returned to D.C. and worked with some local bands before moving to San Francisco and hooking back up with Mojo and his band Initial Shock. We played at the famous Fillmore and Avalon ballrooms and opened for Santana, Grateful Dead, Jefferson Airplane and many other bands.
Ken Taylor
Ken’s stories of his time in London and San Francisco will be continued in a later article.
I presumed the group broke up sometime after the Inexpensive Handmade Look 45 but in fact Don Roof continued the band as the Counts IV with different musicians. Mike Malonee wrote to me about this lineup and sent in the photo above:
I first saw the Counts IV at the Teen Club on Seymour Johnson AFB in 1965. I was totally impressed with their look and the great British sound they were producing. I can clearly remember hearing Don Roof knock out “Twist & Shout” and thinking, that’s as good or better than The Beatles! They were very professional and an extremely tight group. I followed this group throughout the mid to late 60’s.
I was 15 years old when I formed a band call “Mike and the Dimensions” in 1965, which included Ken Taylor on drums and lead vocals. I had only been playing guitar for a year and [was] very immature. I was later replaced by Doug Farwig who I considered to be a solid guitar player and later became an even better bassist with the Counts IV.
I played in rather good band that I’d formed in Goldsboro called The Chosen Few and we won the local battle of the bands in 1968. We also opened for Sam the Sham and the Pharaohs in 1967. We were all just teenagers then and were living large. Then I grew up and tried to make a living at playing in a band. Big surprise! You can starve doing that!
In 1969, long after the original Counts IV had broken up, Don Roof replaced the original members with some younger, less talented musicians and performed under the name Counts IV. I was asked to join the group as second guitar and lead vocalist.
Don Roof was playing keyboard during this period. The other three [were] Mike Fowler (Blues), Billy Merrit, and the black dude I only remember as Danny. This version of the Counts IV lasted less than one year.
W. Michael Malonee
Rick Turner (Robert Ward Turner) passed away some years ago in Tampa, Florida. Tragically, lead guitarist Joe Booher committed suicide in 1971. Enrique Pacheco (Chico) passed away in July 2007. Don Roof currently plays with The Back Alley Band in the Manassas and Fairfax area of Virginia.
One request – if anyone has photos of the group please contact me.
Update: I’m sorry to report that Don Roof passed away on April 8, 2016 at the age of 73. Don was the primary song writer for the band.
From what I’ve heard, Al Peluso was a native of Utica, NY (about 2 hrs from Rochester, NY)and was a transplant to North Carolina. Al returned to upstate NY and released a decent cover of The Byrds’/Dylan’s “You Ain’t Going Nowhere” around 1970.
Al Peluso took a job playing at the Candlelight Lounge at Snow Ridge Ski slopes in Turin, New York in the early 1970’s. He was very well liked as a musician and did great covers. I just bought one of his 45’s on ebay to put in a shadowbox of memories of the time…Blue Teardrops/You Ain’t Goin Upstate New York.
Joseph Booher was born Herbert Whitlock he was my uncle I do not have alot of the story but would like to if anyone has any more information.
Hello Dean,
Please email me at chas_kit@hotmail.com, I’d definitely like to hear more about your uncle and the band,
Chris
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I STARTED THE BAND
dean contack me
I lived in Baton Rouge.WNOE used to play NOT THAT KIND OF GUY.
Don,
Bard told me about this site. It’s been a long road hasn’t it? I remember going with the band in the van to some frat house gig. I must have been 10 years old or so. It was one of my best memories.
Keep in touch.
Bob
Hey Uncle Don!! Mom told me about this site…Pretty NEAT!! I need to go through some of dads stuff and see if there are any pics or 45’s lying around of you guys!! Love you, talk to yoiu soon!! D.
Does anyone know how to get in touch with Al Peluso?
I don’t know who Dean was but I remember Hilton Hartley managing the Counts IV for quite awhile. Does anyone know where he is? We’ve managed to find Ken Taylor, Doug Farwig & Bill Collins…. Now known as Mojo Collins in Wilmington NC… Wonder where Al Peluso is and also a guy named Phil Cato…… Wow this page is just awesome and getting better!!!
Al Peluso is a bartender at the Turning Stone Resort & Casino in Verona New York. He and I work together often in the Leopard Lounge. I just showed him this page and he will be sending some comments soon !
Had an email from someone today reminding me of Ken Taylor, Counts IV drummer. Do you know how I can reach him? We knew each other in the 60s.
Rey Barry in Charlottesville, VA
rey ken is on facebook
HI Don … loved hanging with you at Chico’s place in Clifton and the R&B ranch.
Love to catch up with you.
Rick
How do you remember this guy? That slimy, little creep ripped me off. He had latched onto the band in D.C. and was basically our gofer. He had no money and was pretty much homeless. He offered to “roadie” for me (unload and set up my drums) if I would let him stay with me. Doug and I were living in a rooming house in Goldsboro when we weren’t on the road, and I let Phil stay for free and even bought his food! One day I went to the store and when I came home he had disappeared along with my stereo, all my records and even some of my stage clothes. I have always hoped to run into him some day and if he should happen to read this, he should know that I haven’t forgotten! FU Phil!
Rey!! I have tried to find you several times over the years. I even called the C-ville newspaper but had no luck! Where are you? I have lived in Phoenix, Az. for the last 30 yrs. My email is blusman@earthlink.com, I would love to talk to you!
i remember al playing guitar at the warehouse #6 in utica fall 1971. he was great and sounded just like cat stevens. so good, i remember it all these years since mvcc!
A friend of mine from the 1970s had a band here in Montreal called The St. Marc Street Band from 1971 to 1976 and while doing research for the blog I am writing about them I found out that the bass player Al Ridler had played and recorded with the Counts Four(IV) in the 1960s and I am looking for any photos or jacket covers that he would be on. If any one has some info or leads for me please let me know by posting a comment on the blog for the St. Marc Street Band. Thanks.
I guess I was a bit tired when I wrote that last request; it should have read LOOKING for old band photos. In the meanwhile I found out that there have been numerous bands during the 1960s that used the name Counts Four (IV) and that the bass player Al Ridler was in the Montreal version of the Counts Four when they released an album on London Records label. This was EB87. The Counts Four- of Montreal were Cliff Edwards, Gordy Mccloud ,Evon Pratt and Al Ridler. A pic of this jacket cover is now up on the blog for the St. Marc Street Band. Al said he is one day going to email me some pics of that version of the Counts Four and I will send them here since they were from the early 1960s. Before the Beatles were released in Canada.
Albert “Al” A. Peluso, age 70, a popular area musician, passed away October 22, 2011, with his loving family at his side. For more info visit http://romesentinel.com/news?newsid=20111024-142211. Rest In Piece my friend.
Just found this posting of an ad for them playing Atlanta, GA as the Inexpensive Handmade Look in August 1967: https://www.instagram.com/p/Btoa81hgXGh/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1g3vlkscfunue
For Doug Farwig – I think my band was on the same Villagers show as The Inexpensive Handmade Look. Do you remember the other band that was on that show the same day y’all were on? At that point we were probably called The Minority (or possibly called one of our other names: The Oranges or The Studs). The lead guitarist and I have been arguing about who (besides The Villagers) was on the show.