Westchester Rivals: The Reptiles, the End, and the Aliens

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The Reptiles, 1967, photo by Robin Leach

The Reptiles have one cut on the Ren-Vell Battle of the Bands LP, The Glass Toy. I hadn't originally included in my article on that LP, but in taking another listen, I can see what the group were trying to achieve. It could have been a fine pop single with more polish, but the Ren-Vell studio wasn't prepared to offer that kind of guidance or production quality.

The Reptiles - The Glass Toy

Steve Worthy related the story of the Reptiles recording of Glass Toy to Bassman Bobb Brown:

Ron Macera was the drummer, Paul Slavin on bass, Mark Worthy on rhythm guitar and high harmony vocal on the chorus (a reversal of how we usually worked-me high harmony, him low). I played upper register rhythm guitar, because if I was doing the singing I couldn't do any leads on guitar.

I wrote the song (probably my 3rd or 4th song ever written), full of teenage angst, and having to rhyme the works criticize, minimize and brutalize in the one bridge, shows my poetic and English major leanings. Subconsciously, I imitated my heroes the Beatles by doing something I heard said later about their songs - sad lyrics with happy music!

The only other recording session for the Reptiles was with a friend of my father named Bert Haber, who worked with Famous Music Publishing, and they were looking to get some young bands on one of their record company rosters. Bert gave us this song called "Come Take A Taste" to learn, and we so despised it, but really wanted to get in on the ground floor so we did it. I was so depressed learning it, that I wrote a song called "The Moustache Song" as a joke ("Please little girl with the moustache, blah blahh, Please don't shave your little moustache, You're only girl I kissed with one before"), which went on the 45 b-side. No one else had a song, so I had to sing that one as well.

Needless to say, their Broadway-type song was like a Spanky and Our Gang type tune, and our hearts weren't in it, so it went nowhere further. The chorus sounded like "Sunday Will Never Be The Same".

The Reptiles prided itself on always being true to the song and getting all the chords right! One of our pet peeves would be songs by bands who couldn’t get the bridge right- on “For Your Love” for example- the last two chords –they would do “A followed by Am” at the end of it, instead of C#m to B. Most bands were a little lazy that way. We used sharps and flats and major seventh chords because of our Beatle training. Me and my brother would listen to records over and over until every chord was perfect, especially with the Beatles stuff, which was our supreme role model. We even did Sgt. Pepper Stuff live like “Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds”, “It’s Getting Better”, “A Day In The Life”, “Lovely Rita”.

Steve also wrote about the Reptiles' rival bands, The End and The Aliens:

“The End” had Allen Spink and guitar and lead vocals, Jimmy Indusi on Guitar, Timmy Smith on console organ-sounded almost like a Hammond, Rick Selby on left-handed drums, and Pat Giordano on bass guitar. They were the second most ferocious competitors to the Reptiles after "The Aliens". We made a comeback and beat them in a Battle of the Bands at St. Augustine’s High School finally, after a humiliating defeat at St. Ann’s when Spink stacked the deck with all of his friends. One reason the rivalry was so raw, even though personally I was great friends with the leader Allen Spink, was young testosterone when the nine of us were in a room together. We were like the Jets and the Sharks circling each other, I swear!

The Aliens were composed of Ray Marion on lead guitar and lead vocals (playing a Gibson cherry red ES335), Curt Meinel, bass (Hagstrom?), Glen Kane on drums, and a guy named Howie on Farfisa organ [Howie Pobner]. They were very popular because they could be counted on to play all the standard rock 'n' roll songs like Louie, Louie, Wipe Out, Bang Bang (Joe Cuba, not Sonny and Cher), and were not adventurous at all, which is why the Reptiles and Aliens were sworn mortal enemies. Ray would do this swagger like he was so cool and shake his ass, which drove us crazy, because our impression of music at the time did not include ass shaking! Maybe he thought he was Elvis, who I both appreciate and love now, but at the time he was kind of old news to us in 1967.

The Aliens - Louie Louie
The Aliens - Gloria

Thanks to Bassman Bobb Brown for forwarding me the comments of Steve Worthy, along with the photo and the scans and transfers of the Aliens 45.





Sing Sing Rocks!

Wow--great to get the scoop on The Ren-Vell Reptiles from Ossining-on-Hudson (home of Sing Sing prison, a.k.a. "up the river"). Hadn't heard of The Aliens before. Were they from Ossining too?

St. Ann's and St. Augustine's are still operating. My daughters both attend St. Ann's, and it wasn't even two weeks ago that I was standing in the gym looking at the stage wondering if they hosted dances with bands back in the '60s. It's the kind of gym that begs that question. Oh, it's got a new floor and lights, but other than that, it probably hasn't changed much since 1966!

Any more details about those "battle of the bands" events? Pictures?

More Reptiles Photos

I'll upload some more Reptiles photos to by buddy Bobb Brown. I just heard from an old friend who was in the ossining band called Raunch, who were probably the best musically and entertainment wise. A cross between the Vanilla Fudge and the Who.

Peace,
Steve Worthy

Westchester, N.Y. garage scene/The Raunch

The Raunch rang a bell so I checked, and sure enough they're on the Ren-Vell "Battle of the Bands" album as well, although Briarcliff (nextdoor to Ossining) is given as their hometown. Pics would be very cool, as would any further reminiscences about the youth scene in this area in the '60s. Teen hangouts, clubs, carnivals, events... it's all good.

I mean... a few "east county" bands from Westchester are documented (Traits, Dolphins, Weird Street Carnival), and several from Yonkers... but north of Yonkers and west of White Plains (except this post, basically!), Westchester County is a big black hole when it comes to info on the scene '66-9. C'mon! Tarrytown, Peekskill, Mohegan Lake, Mahopac, Yorktown... these towns hadda have had some serious garage band action in the '60s, right??? Westchester is New York's "O.C." for heaven's sake!

Reptiles/Aliens

Hey Steve,
How are you, where are you now? I sold my photography studio and moved to upstate NY.
Curt Meinel
The Aliens

How about the Invaders?

Curt,

Wasn't that the name on the band we had, after the Synners? Where are you now? I'm in Fort Myers, Florida after many moves. Get in touch please. I'm in contact with Alan Raycraft and Dave Perugini. Email is JayPManning at JayPManning dot Com.

Jay Manning

It's been a long time since the Reptiles

Curt,
Wow, this is a blast from the past, as they used to say! I hope you are well, Curt!
I haven't logged on this page for awhile, so I wasn't ignoring your post. I live in Croton-on-Hudson, and joined the Ossining Historical Society, and was President of the Ossining Arts Council, President of the Westchester Songwriters Guild, and hosted an Open Mic at an Ossining club called Dannyscafe.com for almost 3 years. I videotaped a lot of the Open Mics, and got into photography in college, as editor-in-chief of my Colgate University yearbook, called Salmagundi. I finished writing a book called "Heads of Bronze, Hearts of Gold: The Kress Family Legacy", about a family of art collectors, one of which who lived in Ossining at the old 52 Association property on Cedar Lane for over 40 years, 1915 to 1959. They donated over 3000 paintings, sculptures and decorative art to the national Gallery of Art in Washington DC and over 90 institutions in the US. Check out flickr.com for the S. H. Kress and Co. Five Dime and A Quarter chain of variety stores they built and owned from 1896 to 1980s. Amazing story! I've taken hundreds of photos of the property, and found almost 60 glass plate negative photos from the Kress days there. I also play music, guitar and percussion for autistic adults and pre-school kids for Hero Inc. 3 or 4 times a month-very rewarding.
I volunteered to play for an Ossining music festival in August 2010, organized by bass player Kendall Buchanan of Ossining, called Sankofa Homecoming. My brother Mark, me, and some others volunteered to participate.
John Eurell (formerly of the Lost Souls-with Larry Robinson, George Angelini, Charlie Patton, etc.) now plays in a new Age/Fusion duo called Sundad, with his son John Jr. as an acoustic guitar and percussion band.
I hope to include a story and photos of my last true Ossining band, Electric Abraham, or Abraham, as we were later known, soon.
Peace, check me out on Facebook for more photos as well. Say Hi to Ray Marion if you hear from him. Peace! Steve

Ossining Garage Band Of The 60's

Wow, what a great picture Steve. I remember some of those bands so well. I use to look at you guys play in those bands and just dream that one day that would be me up there. Fortunatly I held on to the dreams. After completeing Junior College I went out and bought a $54 Kingston bass guitar. Most of the guys on my side of town didn't have instruments when we came up so basketball skill became a right of passage. But the ones that did own them, Steven Speller(Abe), Claude Ford, Ricky Selby, Larry Burts and maybe a couple of other guys were revered by all. You guys probably never realized how in awe most of us were when watching you play. As far as we were concerned you were on the same level as the bands music that you were playing. Even now that I've been playing since "74" there's something a little special about playing with you.

Good Stuff,
Kendall-

Ossining Garage Bands

Whwn the Worthy brothers were playing Battle of the Bands in the 60's....so was I.
WE had a band called Thunder and played all of the same dances...the band members
were Glen Kane on drums..Bruce Williams on keyboards..Howie Johnson on rythm guitar
Norbie Walters on bass...I sang lead and we had a number of lead guitarists...it was a great time
to be in a garage band and the Worthy brothers were legendary in Ossining.I'd love to
see more photographs from that period.
Best Wishes
Scott Williams